Talk Justice: Episode 107

The True Impact of Eliminating LSC for Everyday Americans
A judge, legal aid director and legal aid client come together to discuss the potential impact of the White House’s proposal to eliminate the Legal Services Corporation (LSC) on the latest episode of Talk Justice. On May 30, the Trump Administration announced its proposed federal budget for 2026, calling for the elimination of LSC. In light of this, Flagg guides the guests through a conversation about the tangible impacts of defunding civil legal services, explaining how the impact will be felt at every level.
Featured Guests

Judge Lora J. Livingston
Judge Livingston is a 1982 graduate of the UCLA School of Law. She began her legal career as a Reginald Heber Smith Community Lawyer Fellow assigned to the Legal Aid Society of Central Texas in Austin, Texas. She was an Associate at the law firm of Joel B. Bennett, P.C., and a partner at the law firm Livingston & Parr. She began her judicial service as an Associate Judge for the District Courts of Travis County, Texas and after her successful election, Judge Livingston was sworn in as Judge of the 261st District Court in January 1999. Her judicial colleagues elected her to serve as the Local Administrative District Judge for the Travis County Courts and she led the council of judges for nine years. Her crowning achievement was overseeing the design and construction of the new Travis County Civil and Family Courts Facility (CFCF). She is the first African American woman to serve on a district court in Travis County, Texas. Judge Livingston retired in 2022 and is now serving in the judiciary as a Senior Judge..

Athena Gough
Athena Gough is a member of the Board of Directors of Community Legal Aid in Ohio. She became an advocate for the importance of civil legal services due to her own experience of domestic violence. Her attorneys at Community Legal Aid were a lifeline, so now she raises awareness of the need for others to have access to these vital services.
Athena is also a marketing professional and mother of two.

Tom Fritzsche
Since 2022, Tom Fritzsche has served as Executive Director of Pine Tree Legal Assistance, Maine’s largest civil legal service provider. Previously, he was Executive Director of the Milk with Dignity Standards Council, which works with farmworkers and farm owners to ensure groundbreaking improvements in working and housing conditions on dairy farms. Tom has also served people through Cardozo School of Law’s clinical program, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Maine Mobile Health Program.
Host

Ronald S. Flagg
Ronald S. Flagg was appointed President of the Legal Services Corporation effective February 20, 2020, and previously served as Vice President for Legal Affairs and General Counsel since 2013. He previously practiced commercial and administrative litigation at Sidley Austin LLP for 31 years, 27 years as a partner. He chaired the firm’s Committee on Pro Bono and Public Interest Law for more than a decade...